John Sanders joins me to drop one of the single most helpful distinctions I have ever heard in discussions of religion and culture. His identification and explanation of Nurturant and Authoritative approaches to religion, politics, parenting, and more has been kicking around my head daily for 6 weeks now. You should not skip this episode. And you should probably support indie publishers and buy his book Embracing Prodigals: https://wipfandstock.com/9781725264069/embracing-prodigals/ Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466e Havana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjA Album Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-club Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.com Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com — he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.com YHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: youhavepermissionpod.com Join Dan's email list: dankochwords.com Artwork by http://sprungle.co/